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tonight we have tobias whalen and manuel

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nabaret of the families of monsters 14

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research team

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um

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tobias

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cheap bottle washer over

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the singular fortune society

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and uh

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uh manuel

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also runs ufo clearing house so guys

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thanks for coming on this evening

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oh my pleasure thank you thanks yeah

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thanks for having me

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so

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you know

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i i i was trying to figure out where we

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left off at the last time we were

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together now

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i i know we had talked about a bit about

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the um

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the unseen ones the winged ones and such

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and uh but the last we the one the last

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case that came the case that came after

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the last time we were together

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was this uh wing being that was seen

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uh in this i guess there's a south

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western part of the airport

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uh it was reported by manuel uh report

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you know seen by a security guard

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and there was also a large boomerang ufo

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uh as well

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so man well why don't you tell us a bit

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about that kate

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okay well the gentleman was the uh

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he is one of the uh security guards out

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um private security firm um his job was

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to basically

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uh watch over a uh

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it's kind of like an asphalt processing

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plant one of those mobile

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asphalt plants

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that they have set up around the airport

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uh because of the expansion um

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he says that it's very fairly routine

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just you know

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occasionally run off the occasional

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homeless guy or the like he's he said

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the horny teenagers who think they're

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gonna find a place to park out there

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so he said a lot of it is usually pretty

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uh

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you know routine but

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this night he was sitting there um

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and he thought he heard something so he

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got out started looking around

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um

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runs into a being seven foot tall being

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with red eyes with wings

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and

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the being just basically looked at him

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um and he says like within like a few

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seconds of that happening the whole area

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just lit up

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um he says they mean he could see

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equipment he could read labels

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everything and he says he looked up and

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you know it lit up for a few seconds

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when it was done he says that um

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the um

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above him was a large triangular shaped

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you know object

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at first i was asking you know what

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could have been a plane you know planes

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fly overhead if you look at them from a

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certain angle they look like triangular

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shaped objects

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um especially when they got you know

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their landing lights on or you know at

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takeoff

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but he said no this thing was standing

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still and wasn't making noise a plane is

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flying over it's making a ton of noise

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as it's taken off

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um which i live in the glide path and

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you know take off path of o'hare trust

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me

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they can they can

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you know make a ton of noise as they're

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flying overhead

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um but he says that this thing

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you know slowly started moving away and

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he was asking you know outside give me a

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kind of a

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kind of give me what you a description

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of what you mean by slowly moving away

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um and he says it was moving but it

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wasn't moving

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really fast like it was taking his time

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to get out of there he says and it kept

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rising higher as it got away and

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eventually just disappeared

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um but he said that the uh

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the creature that was he had seen

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was apparently pretty agitated

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um and was you know

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took off into the night so it's kind of

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strange you know it's a very strange he

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said it was um

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it was a very uh frightening experience

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for him he says he went back to his

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truck and he stayed there

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you know didn't unlock the doors or

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anything and you know we're talking

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about an armed security guard

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um

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that you know

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it scared him and he said you know

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eventually he did return back to work at

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that same site but

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he did say that it was a very strange um

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encounter um and he had not heard about

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the mosque you know about the chicago

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mosque man or any of the sightings at

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o'hare until he had actually gone online

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and you know found you know the reports

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and everything that's when he made his

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report

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you know

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um this ufo activity

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at the airport in the association with

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the unseen ones are these wing beans

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apparently through the communications

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and this is what i got from you know

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jennifer from bernadette that

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and i think manuel made note of it too

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that

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they seem to be followed by these these

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ufo and whoever's flying the ufos around

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uh is that what you made out on manuel

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well i mean o'hare's quite had quite a

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long history when it comes to ufos in

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and around there i mean the most famous

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one being the the one that i've seen

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over terminal three i believe that

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punched a hole in the uh

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in the uh

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in the clouds you know but there's been

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i mean we've had the one that was seen

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over the airport we there have been

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multiple uh sightings

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of like

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you know cigar shaped egg shape you know

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basically every shape of the unit you

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can think of

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we've had you know entity sightings

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you know gray alien entity sightings at

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the airport

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so kind of makes me think that um

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you know there's got to be something

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hand in hand going

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you know on at the airport you know

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we've already more or less established

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that there's something

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going on at the airport um

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aside from planes i mean there's been a

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lot of military activity there there's

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been a lot of strange you know

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happenings

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at that airport so i kind of think that

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yeah it kind of goes hand in hand i mean

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and we've had multiple um

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sightings reports and stuff in the

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course since the this whole flap began

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um

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in the city of chicago with ufos being

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associated

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with these sightings as well

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what's your take on that tobias

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well now

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this uh this this lady

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i'm sorry this this latest uh reported

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witness now is is this the uh the

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individual that um i was given the the

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email contact info for

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no that was i believe the truck driver

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yeah that was the one at uh usps sorting

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this was uh back in uh

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this one with the security guard was in

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september

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oh okay

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you know they're well they're doing some

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major overhauling work over there at the

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airport anyway i mean

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was this site part of that uh emanuel

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yeah it's uh

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i went out there a couple of times and

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i've i've also um passed it i know where

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it's at you gotta pass it to go to the

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cargo facilities on the

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on the far north side of this of the

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airport but um it's basically a like a

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rock crusher

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kind of facility where they make um

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i i think across the street they make

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like cement but this one i think they

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make like asphalt or something like that

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uh as part of the airport it's just like

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a mobile on-site um

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site i guess if you want to say it but

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uh just um so that they don't have to

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run back and forth you know to wherever

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they go get uh

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the material they can actually just make

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the material there on site um

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so they got like this mobile

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there's a huge like mobile rock crusher

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there

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uh a bunch of uh you know containers and

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tanks and stuff like that i'm not

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exactly sure

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what the whole operation is but i know

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that they you see a lot of uh dump

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trucks a lot of cement trucks and a lot

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of like

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the short-tailed um

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dump trucks

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out there that they use to haul asphalt

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around so

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um my guess is that this is like a

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facility that's was put there

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as part of the expansion

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um

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and uh it was also by by that site where

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they started making the where they made

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the new radar station

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that they put up a couple of years ago

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that's across the street basically

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across the street

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from from that facility so

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yeah it's it's basically there just to

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facilitate the the expansion of the

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okay

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anything to add to that um

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tobias

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well you know that

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that's interesting to me you know you

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you hear a lot about

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say in in cases of uh you know

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reported hauntings for instance uh

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anytime there's there's some kind of

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renovation or or building or something

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going on

289
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on in uh existing structure it can sort

290
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of stir things up right

291
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and so when i hear about somebody having

292
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a winged humanoid sighting at this sort

293
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of like active uh construction site

294
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that's that that that's purpose is to

295
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help uh expand the the airport i i can't

296
00:11:41,829 --> 00:11:39,839
help but think that there's a

297
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possibility those things could be

298
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related now you know uh manuel mentioned

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that the uh the the being seemed

300
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agitated

301
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to the the the witness you know could

302
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could there be some sort of connection

303
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between

304
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uh winged beings and specific areas that

305
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uh uh or whereby you know if this

306
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specific area was was being messed with

307
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in a certain way

308
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it uh it would cause them um some sort

309
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of distress say

310
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yeah there could be i mean i i honestly

311
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think that you know

312
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they kind of work hand in hand um

313
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with it and i do you know i know like

314
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you said i've there's been many cases in

315
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the with ghost hunting and stuff

316
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and paranormal where someone's bought

317
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the house and they started renovating it

318
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and all of a sudden you know basically

319
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all hell breaks loose because they hear

320
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it all the time they're tearing

321
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something apart

322
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but you know this

323
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please remember also that

324
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that is not too far away from that part

325
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of the airport where they had to tear up

326
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the cemetery they actually had to uh um

327
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elk grove village i believe it was where

328
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that they had to uh

329
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relocate the entire graves out and they

330
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were fighting for it to keep it there

331
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the only reason resthaven has not been

332
00:13:01,509 --> 00:12:59,680
disturbed is it's kind of tucked out of

333
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the way and number two i think it's a

334
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it's a historical landmark

335
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um so they're not allowed to touch it

336
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but

337
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i remembered a big uh controversy

338
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because one of the airport uh runways

339
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was going to be built or expanded out so

340
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it was going to have to move a bunch of

341
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uh

342
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of graves that were there some of them

343
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had been there for you know 150 years

344
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um

345
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you know so yeah i i i can see that

346
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happening

347
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um but we've had such a

348
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you know

349
00:13:34,710 --> 00:13:32,000
multitude of sightings in and around not

350
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only just at the airport but you know in

351
00:13:40,069 --> 00:13:35,600
you know

352
00:13:43,030 --> 00:13:40,079
sightings of the humanoids you've had

353
00:13:45,430 --> 00:13:43,040
ufo sightings uh we've had the one

354
00:13:46,949 --> 00:13:45,440
gentleman who saw the wing humanoid come

355
00:13:49,509 --> 00:13:46,959
out of the woods

356
00:13:51,910 --> 00:13:49,519
uh the uber driver um

357
00:13:53,990 --> 00:13:51,920
that saw it come out of the woods and

358
00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:54,000
take off and he said he that was the one

359
00:13:58,710 --> 00:13:56,320
i remembered the most because it he said

360
00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:58,720
it smelled like ammonia

361
00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:00,720
yeah that was one of the original ones

362
00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:02,480
the one that actually got reported to

363
00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:05,600
mufon first and we took it over

364
00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:06,560
and

365
00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:09,920
what really struck me on that one was um

366
00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:11,839
i cannot remember the name of the case

367
00:14:14,629 --> 00:14:12,720
uh

368
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:14,639
might be the i think you might know what

369
00:14:19,350 --> 00:14:16,880
i'm talking about tobias um it happened

370
00:14:21,670 --> 00:14:19,360
in brazil where the they had been like a

371
00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:21,680
ufo sighting the night before and there

372
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:23,519
was a little village and they had caught

373
00:14:26,230 --> 00:14:24,480
uh

374
00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:26,240
two entities

375
00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:28,480
there the children had seen the entities

376
00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:31,120
against the building and there was like

377
00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:33,920
a really strong smell of ammonia that

378
00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:36,000
actually sickened a bunch of people

379
00:14:40,550 --> 00:14:38,000
before the military swooped in and and

380
00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:40,560
took care of you know took them out

381
00:14:46,389 --> 00:14:44,000
um it kind of reminded me of the ragna

382
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:46,399
is that what it was called i believe so

383
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:49,360
i'm going to look it up real quick uh

384
00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:53,670
yeah that's a pretty famous case

385
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:54,800
actually

386
00:15:08,949 --> 00:14:55,680
yeah

387
00:15:11,350 --> 00:15:08,959
a ufo incident uh in 1996.

388
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:11,360
um they were talking about how they had

389
00:15:15,509 --> 00:15:12,720
uh

390
00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:15,519
they had a very very strong smell

391
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:17,600
of uh ammonia

392
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:19,519
that had actually sickened a whole lot

393
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:20,880
of people

394
00:15:24,310 --> 00:15:23,120
uh when these things were caught and

395
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:24,320
they were captured eventually by the

396
00:15:29,829 --> 00:15:26,720
brazilian military so

397
00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:29,839
um that kind of really really just uh

398
00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,800
struck me out struck out to me when that

399
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:34,560
sighting was reported

400
00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:37,440
that uh it kind of reminded me of that

401
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,399
um

402
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:40,320
and we've had of course you know the

403
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:42,800
grade inciting some a couple of truckers

404
00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:45,199
had reported they thought it was a child

405
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,880
walking along the

406
00:15:50,470 --> 00:15:48,959
where the cargo area was and they were

407
00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:50,480
you know somebody had abandoned a little

408
00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:52,240
child around there and you know there's

409
00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:53,920
a lot of semis that come flying around

410
00:15:58,710 --> 00:15:56,160
that corner they didn't want to get hit

411
00:15:59,749 --> 00:15:58,720
and it turns out to be a grey alien

412
00:16:01,509 --> 00:15:59,759
um

413
00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:01,519
so yeah it's

414
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:03,839
really gets me that uh a lot of these

415
00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:06,399
sightings are going hand in hand with uh

416
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:13,910
well you know like i said according uh

417
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,800
to these beings um

418
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:18,639
they're being chased by these

419
00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:20,480
extraterrestrials or beings that are

420
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,160
within these these crafts so you know i

421
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,000
don't know what the whole relationship

422
00:16:30,949 --> 00:16:28,240
is there i don't know if they're just

423
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:30,959
being harassed or chased down

424
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:33,920
or what the deal is but i i know they're

425
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:36,000
they're cognizant of it and they know

426
00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:37,839
about it and

427
00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:42,470
so anyway

428
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:44,240
um

429
00:16:47,430 --> 00:16:45,360
go ahead

430
00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:47,440
i i was just going to say i mean that

431
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:48,839
the whole thing is

432
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:51,920
is so strange and

433
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:54,320
the the the threads

434
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:55,839
so

435
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,720
construction when you try to actually

436
00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:02,399
navigate them to

437
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:05,679
to to discern what might actually be be

438
00:17:11,669 --> 00:17:08,240
uh happening you know it it it reminds

439
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:11,679
me we had uh in in estes uh session uh

440
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:14,480
recently right uh right here in our our

441
00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:17,600
library actually and um and emily was

442
00:17:20,870 --> 00:17:18,640
being the

443
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:20,880
control so she had the the you know the

444
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:23,760
headphones and the uh the blinder and

445
00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:26,799
and everything on and um

446
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:30,000
we had you know sort of specifically and

447
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,960
and

448
00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:32,799
uh intentionally

449
00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:34,080
uh

450
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:37,039
attempted to to contact the the unseen

451
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:39,600
one specifically you know using that

452
00:17:44,549 --> 00:17:42,000
that specific name and

453
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:44,559
something certainly seemed to come

454
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,600
through

455
00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,440
and and i couldn't tell you

456
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:49,200
what it was but it seemed very very

457
00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:52,080
reluctant sort of to to talk to us

458
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:53,120
um

459
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:55,760
and uh you know the the the message that

460
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:58,160
kept coming through was was no

461
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:00,880
wait uh uh later

462
00:18:03,669 --> 00:18:01,760
um

463
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,679
and uh and that was just so strange

464
00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,320
especially considering uh some of the

465
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,559
the spirit box results that we got out

466
00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:10,480
in the uh the southern unit of the the

467
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:13,280
kettle moraine state forest um that that

468
00:18:19,510 --> 00:18:16,320
were much clearer and some of those

469
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:19,520
just you know uh uh out of my my uh

470
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,640
memory were things like uh that we were

471
00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:24,799
being watched being probed

472
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:27,280
uh and and we would see these lights out

473
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:30,400
there and the the lights would seemingly

474
00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:33,120
follow us and it seemed like those were

475
00:18:36,870 --> 00:18:35,520
you know one of one of the the means of

476
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:36,880
of watching us

477
00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:37,679
so

478
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,000
it makes me wonder then you know what

479
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:43,360
necessarily we might have actually been

480
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,240
in in in contact like with whom were

481
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:48,799
were we really speaking frankly

482
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:49,600
um

483
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:51,919
you know so like you say that that you

484
00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:54,880
have communicated uh or or or bernadette

485
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,520
has communicated with uh with certain

486
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,440
entities claiming to be the these winged

487
00:19:04,070 --> 00:19:01,679
humanoids and they're saying

488
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,080
that that uh you know they're

489
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:06,160
running from these these ufos or in

490
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:08,960
conflict with these these ufos and on

491
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:11,200
the the other hand uh something that

492
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:12,400
that we seem to have been in

493
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:13,760
communication with

494
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:16,400
uh made it sound like uh

495
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,679
what we had actually been talking to uh

496
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,440
could have been

497
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,760
you know whatever was behind those ufos

498
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:25,520
as opposed to

499
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,480
you know any any uh uh ultra-terrestrial

500
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:30,720
entity or something that that's that's

501
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,200
responsible for uh for for winged uh

502
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:34,799
humanoid settings and of course that's

503
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:37,440
that's all speculation um right that's

504
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:40,240
what i have right now but um it it does

505
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:45,909
well you know

506
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:47,919
we had a question from james about the

507
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:51,039
current status with the unseen ones

508
00:19:56,590 --> 00:19:55,200
and but that's just it we're um

509
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,600
we're kind of

510
00:20:02,149 --> 00:19:58,960
incommunicado with these things for the

511
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:02,159
most part recently because of

512
00:20:07,750 --> 00:20:04,880
uh bernadette and jennifer have been

513
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,760
sick they have been feeling well they

514
00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:10,000
kind of shut themselves down because of

515
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:11,360
it

516
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:17,029
manuel said he had a

517
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:23,990
and of course you know back in november

518
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:26,640
we had an issue where people were trying

519
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,840
to

520
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,919
communicate with these things people

521
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:31,840
outside the group are trying to

522
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:34,880
communicate try to summon these things

523
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:37,679
and there was at least one case where we

524
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,440
understand of someone trying to find it

525
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:44,080
and that didn't go over well

526
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:45,360
um

527
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,230
some trust at that point i don't know if

528
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,720
you want to call it that but things

529
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,280
really seem to slow back

530
00:21:01,149 --> 00:21:00,320
uh so i think it's a matter of just

531
00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,159
really

532
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,600
re-establishing some

533
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,600
contact with these these things on a

534
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:08,159
more regular basis though you know just

535
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,799
tonight like i said earlier that um

536
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,960
manuel said that he did have contact

537
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:14,480
with uru

538
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,120
i have been told that i need to step up

539
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:19,200
my game and try and get in contact and

540
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:21,039
believe me i've been trying

541
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,000
uh but it just hasn't seemed to work out

542
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:26,080
so um

543
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,400
maybe i'm gonna take some

544
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,120
some instruction as well as to how this

545
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,120
is going to happen so

546
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,360
sure we'll just have to wait and see

547
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:37,200
well that that

548
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,799
that certainly seems to fall in line

549
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:40,240
with the the uh

550
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,919
results of the estes method uh session

551
00:21:46,310 --> 00:21:45,520
that we had here you know we're really

552
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,320
the

553
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:48,559
most

554
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,360
communicated message really out of that

555
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,679
uh uh experiment was

556
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:55,840
you know you have to wait you have to

557
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:57,919
wait in in until later because we were

558
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,880
asking

559
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,120
you know just sort of uh some some basic

560
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,120
questions um that anybody you know

561
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:04,960
interested in this would would would

562
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,280
want to know like sort of what is your

563
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,000
uh interest in in certain areas you know

564
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,480
so on and and so forth and

565
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:14,799
the the message seemed pretty clear

566
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,360
um that uh that that information just

567
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,520
wasn't going to be forthcoming right now

568
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,080
right and um you know i i don't know if

569
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,799
there's something uh that that they were

570
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,440
waiting for or you know i for all i know

571
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,159
they were just messing with me but uh

572
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,600
that was pretty clear

573
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:33,200
well you know i got to go back to the

574
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:36,640
original message we got from them was

575
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,919
you'll know

576
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,880
more

577
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,360
in three years

578
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,200
and

579
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:45,840
before five years so it'd be

580
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:49,120
after three before five

581
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,559
so i don't know what the hell that's

582
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,120
supposed to mean so i i guess you know

583
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,520
we're gonna you know within that time

584
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,360
period though that seems like a long

585
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,120
time that we're gonna

586
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:00,640
you know

587
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,240
this started 2017 for us as a team so

588
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,720
you know it's been five years so you

589
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:07,679
know

590
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:12,880
contact them back in i think it was back

591
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,559
in july

592
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:16,240
uh

593
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,240
that's kind of seen just the starting

594
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,400
point so i guess we'll have to wait and

595
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,270
so i don't know

596
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,200
i thought i've given it a lot of thought

597
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:29,679
of different ways to investigate and you

598
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,679
know tobias brings up the essence method

599
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:33,120
which is a really

600
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:34,640
interesting method

601
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,830
one of the things my son brought up was

602
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,400
uh because my son is you know

603
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,159
pretty much following he loves

604
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:45,679
paranormal he loves to investigate as

605
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:46,559
well

606
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,360
is um the use of uh

607
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:51,120
it just slipped my mind i know what it

608
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:53,440
is it's a it looks like a little radio

609
00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:55,760
but basically scans the fm dial or the

610
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,440
am dial at a very fast pace yeah

611
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,600
yeah you're basically picking up

612
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:03,279
messages you're supposed to be like

613
00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:05,520
blindfolded and have

614
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,080
headphones in but i was thinking like

615
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:09,600
this would be something that i would

616
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,240
love to try like once the weather turns

617
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,320
you know it's not negative 50 degrees

618
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:16,000
outside at the uh

619
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,799
yeah

620
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,840
i i want to try that at uh resthaven

621
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,400
one night yeah no that's i mean uh what

622
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,320
what you're describing literally is the

623
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,720
the the uh estez method like that's

624
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:28,799
that's that's what we did we have all of

625
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,200
the the um

626
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,039
equipment for it and and everything that

627
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:34,880
we need so yeah i mean we're not very

628
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,279
far away you know it takes us maybe

629
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,080
hour hour and 15 you know to to get to

630
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,320
o'hare so as soon as that that weather

631
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:44,559
turns we'd love to meet up and and uh

632
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:46,559
and just see what happens oh yeah i

633
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,760
would love to do that because um

634
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,440
the first time i had actually seen it on

635
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,600
tv was uh i don't know if you guys have

636
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:55,679
ever watched the series hell yeah

637
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,640
uh talking about the uh kelly hopkins

638
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:01,120
the gentleman was doing that method and

639
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,080
uh

640
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,840
my son had actually brought that up to

641
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,919
us and he was like yeah that would work

642
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,880
you know

643
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,600
you but you'd have to basically go there

644
00:25:14,310 --> 00:25:11,200
you know again like when

645
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,320
when i first contacted uru it was um 11

646
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:16,240
o'clock at night midnight

647
00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:17,200
uh

648
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:19,039
you know sitting in the air at the

649
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,720
cemetery but

650
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,720
um

651
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,960
yeah that was an experience that you

652
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:26,720
know that was

653
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,559
that was a once in a lifetime experience

654
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,640
but i would love to actually do that as

655
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,520
much

656
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:33,039
i know we talked with the team about

657
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,720
like setting up uh

658
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,559
like trail cams and stuff like that you

659
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,480
know we have

660
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,520
i have

661
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,520
access to hunting trail camps that are

662
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,679
actually good for nighttime visions

663
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,880
um

664
00:25:48,870 --> 00:25:47,279
that would be great because that's

665
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,880
probably about the only place i can set

666
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:51,120
up without having security tearing them

667
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,480
down or you know attracting the security

668
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,960
that's now seem to increase so much more

669
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:58,240
at the airport

670
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,039
um

671
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:02,320
since these last few sightings

672
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,760
okay

673
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,919
well at least here we have a possible

674
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,640
plan for that um

675
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,640
yeah you know tobias that might be a

676
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:12,799
pretty good idea i mean you know

677
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:15,679
you guys meet up and some of the other

678
00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:19,120
people i know jen probably get involved

679
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,400
and uh

680
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,520
yeah

681
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,360
absolutely there's something to that uh

682
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:26,159
that resthaven cemetery too um you know

683
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,360
uh

684
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,279
emily and i went down there

685
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,320
uh some some time ago had to be a a

686
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,240
couple of months ago now

687
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,279
it was much warmer out and uh

688
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,960
and it's it's an interesting place you

689
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,279
know it it was so loud that we had

690
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,120
brought some of our spirit boxes and and

691
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,440
stuff like that but with all of the the

692
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:47,039
planes taking off and landing and

693
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,480
everything like

694
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,640
we couldn't hear anything so i i had

695
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,320
brought my my dowsing rods you know i've

696
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:55,200
got a set of of copper dowsing rods and

697
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,320
so i you know you don't have to hear

698
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,159
anything for those

699
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,640
and so i i brought those out and and

700
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,520
gotten some some interesting results in

701
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:06,720
in that you know there were a few hits

702
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,120
you know i was able to ask um you know

703
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,000
if if something was there with us and

704
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,880
then um you know they they did cross in

705
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:16,080
the

706
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,440
that point we we decided well hey let's

707
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,520
sit here um and and we'll just sort of

708
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,840
meditate and see if anything reaches out

709
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,640
but i think that it was honestly so loud

710
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,399
that we just couldn't concentrate like

711
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,120
we couldn't get into the the right state

712
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,919
of mind to to allow any kind of contact

713
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,799
because

714
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,640
you know after that we just didn't

715
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:40,320
didn't have um

716
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,200
anything unfortunately but you know the

717
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,880
the results were interesting enough with

718
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:47,200
those dowsing rods for me to think hey

719
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,120
you know this is probably worth you know

720
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,360
uh uh investigating further

721
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:54,480
maybe uh and maybe uh uh manuel would

722
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,640
would know this at a time that that is a

723
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,559
little quieter because i'm not even

724
00:28:01,909 --> 00:28:00,080
exaggerating

725
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,919
couldn't hear each other you know like

726
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,760
emily's right next to me and we could

727
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:05,279
not hear what the other person was

728
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,240
saying

729
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:08,720
yeah we i was out there it was still

730
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:10,640
loud i mean you still have planes going

731
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:13,039
but if you're there in the early evening

732
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,080
i mean

733
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,559
it wasn't early evening yeah you these

734
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,720
planes come in there's like a it's like

735
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,799
a 45 second uh

736
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,520
laps and if you actually see it from a

737
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,919
distance it's it's it's so strange and

738
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:27,760
i've my wife has pointed it out before

739
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,480
and it's like these planes are stacked

740
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,360
up you know 50 deep and you can just see

741
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,520
them coming in um

742
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,600
and as soon as one get lands the other

743
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:39,760
one's already on the final approach

744
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:42,399
so you know as soon as one the plane

745
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,600
that landed is turning off the runway as

746
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:46,960
it's turning the other one's already

747
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,520
making contact with the runway and

748
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:51,200
same thing when they're leaving and it

749
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,559
is yeah it gets very very loud

750
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,039
over there good to go

751
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,000
yes well you know i watch i watch those

752
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:03,120
plane spotter videos on youtube all the

753
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:04,799
time over the era

754
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,679
it's pretty amazing how busy that place

755
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:09,039
really is

756
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:11,360
i mean you know coming in all directions

757
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:13,919
too because i i don't know how many how

758
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:16,480
many um

759
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,799
runways they've got going on at one time

760
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,440
it seems like four or five maybe six of

761
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,480
them

762
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:24,960
uh i don't know i believe four in the

763
00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,840
commercial and but they also share

764
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,679
those two extra runways are usually used

765
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,480
for the cargo right um and unfortunately

766
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,000
the thing is with uh

767
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,000
rest haven sits right in the midst of

768
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,440
the cargo area so you have planes

769
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:41,840
coming by evan it's also not too far

770
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,320
away uh tobias will probably know that

771
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,240
the tarmac is basically just on the

772
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,799
other side of that big wall

773
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,200
yeah so sometimes um i've been out there

774
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,520
before and they're bringing a plane in

775
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,600
that's going to the fedex facility and

776
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:58,640
this thing is it's it's being towed into

777
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,679
place but

778
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:01,440
it still has the engines going and it's

779
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,960
allowed i mean it will get you know loud

780
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,200
as it's passing by um

781
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,520
where we had that july 22nd incident you

782
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,240
know

783
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:12,159
um i've taken video before there and

784
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:13,919
those planes are just they're just

785
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:15,039
sitting there getting unloaded but

786
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:17,120
they're still got the engines idled

787
00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,279
so yeah it can get pretty loud and

788
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,520
pretty noisy i'm just lucky that we see

789
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:23,200
the kind of like hearing uh of

790
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,240
protection people wear out there oh yeah

791
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,399
it's it's oh yeah

792
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,799
oh yeah so one other thing i i wanted to

793
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:33,279
say um about that area before i forget

794
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:35,440
for anybody who's not familiar and and

795
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,039
and i'm sure uh

796
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:39,760
manuel could could back me up on this is

797
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,960
it is so much more isolated than you

798
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:44,960
expect you know because you drive

799
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,760
through like the this maze of streets

800
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,360
and it's so easy once you're back into

801
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,520
sort of like the cargo areas and stuff

802
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,919
um you know it's not like there are just

803
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,760
people on top of you you know there's

804
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:58,559
there's big green spaces um you know

805
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:02,480
there it's it's it's very easy

806
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,120
from my perspective having you know gone

807
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,679
there more than than once to look into

808
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:09,440
these sightings

809
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,640
to see sort of how they happen and why

810
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,159
they tend to happen where they tend to

811
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,480
happen because it's definitely the parts

812
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:18,799
of the the the airport at least in in in

813
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,760
the most credible sightings um where you

814
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,360
know if you were gonna see something

815
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:25,279
like this those are the places you you

816
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:26,960
would see it because there aren't

817
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:29,519
necessarily like a lot of people there

818
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,480
you know um i didn't see anybody when

819
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,640
when when we were in rust haven um

820
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,880
and it was relatively early evening and

821
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,159
you know there's maybe one or two

822
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,360
employees walking up to a a building

823
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,519
which was you know hundreds and hundreds

824
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:46,080
of feet from us um but otherwise you

825
00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,440
know you're just driving around in there

826
00:31:51,509 --> 00:31:49,279
and it's like driving around in like in

827
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,519
an abandoned city you might you know you

828
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,480
might not see anybody

829
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,559
yeah and a lot of people see a lot of

830
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,679
people who go out there you know who are

831
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,799
um

832
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,559
they want to investigate or they want to

833
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,640
just you know try to have a sighting

834
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,120
they don't think they think oh such no

835
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,200
they don't see anybody but trust me

836
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,799
you're you're being seen you're being

837
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,960
watched at all times

838
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,799
people have found out um

839
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,559
there's been tons of reports of other

840
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,000
investigators you know younger

841
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:20,320
investigators who decided to you know

842
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,919
let me climb this fence let me see

843
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,240
what's on the other side and find out

844
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,159
how quickly the security

845
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,480
response is and how aggressive the

846
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:30,320
security response is

847
00:32:33,029 --> 00:32:31,360
um

848
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,039
i was just telling lon that there's been

849
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,360
an uptick from a lot of drivers that i

850
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,080
have that not only work from the company

851
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,480
i work for but also work in the industry

852
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,399
that have said that they've seen

853
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,799
everything now you know more helicopters

854
00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:46,559
going by more you know

855
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:49,039
security officers and security

856
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,840
uh

857
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:51,919
vehicles and even drones

858
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,600
um in the area

859
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,000
that have been you know part of the you

860
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:58,960
know uptick of security so they're

861
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,320
taking it pretty serious uh but yeah

862
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:04,320
you're right i mean when we were out

863
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,200
there

864
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,480
um

865
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,399
i was out there when i had decided with

866
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:09,919
uru and then

867
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,399
a few weeks later with another member of

868
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,120
the singular foreign society uh who was

869
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,720
there um

870
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,720
that was um i met up with him and we

871
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,480
were out there and it was like about 10

872
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:22,640
o'clock at night and you'd be surprised

873
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:26,000
how quiet it can be you know you can sit

874
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:27,440
there and you can

875
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:28,320
you know

876
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,120
occasional plane going by of course but

877
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:35,279
um and the occasional vehicles that are

878
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,399
going but

879
00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,840
most of these facilities even though

880
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,399
they're running 24 hours um

881
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,039
in the case of like risk haven the fedex

882
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:44,720
facility's right next right across the

883
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,080
street but it's hundreds of yards i know

884
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,000
two three hundred yards away

885
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,640
um and it's between you and that it's a

886
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,720
huge parking lot so

887
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,000
you know unless you're there during a

888
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,080
shift change you know it's for the most

889
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,320
part pretty quiet you know you might

890
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,080
have the occasional person who comes by

891
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,559
to see the cemetery or something but

892
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:06,880
you know you can literally be out there

893
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:07,679
uh

894
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,839
by yourself and no one would even

895
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,760
bother you

896
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,720
um

897
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,560
you know what one thing i'd i have

898
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,879
noticed uh since we've been getting

899
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:18,720
these settings out

900
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,599
by chicago especially at the usps

901
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,679
facility and uh

902
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:25,919
uh the um

903
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:28,079
chicago

904
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:31,760
ava avionics center there it seems like

905
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,440
these things show up as shift changes

906
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,629
now yeah i don't know how true that is

907
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,679
but

908
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:46,320
they do seem to show up a lot around 9

909
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,119
30 10 o'clock when people are leaving

910
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,879
these places

911
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,000
um

912
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:55,359
i have noticed there is a pattern there

913
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:56,879
yeah i don't know i mean maybe that's

914
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,079
something we need to inquire with them

915
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,280
sure i i think that just makes a certain

916
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,960
amount of sense right because

917
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,800
um there aren't there there aren't going

918
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,480
to be any citing

919
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,560
reports if if there's nobody there to

920
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,640
see absolutely yeah and when else is

921
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,880
anybody going to be outside is probably

922
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,880
during shift change or they're having a

923
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,560
smoke break or they're waiting for their

924
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:20,960
truck to be loaded or something similar

925
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,440
and yeah absolutely that's that's when

926
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,079
you see these sightings happen you know

927
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:29,119
uh is is during those those rare periods

928
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,680
when employees tend to be outside i mean

929
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,800
uh the the first report i actually the

930
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,800
only uh report that i've taken directly

931
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,720
from o'hare was from a guy

932
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,720
who uh worked for for one of the the

933
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,040
cargo companies and uh and he had just

934
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:45,839
left work you know and he happened to to

935
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,560
be driving um i can't remember the the

936
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:50,560
name of the street but it's it's sort of

937
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:53,760
by this huge open field with like a a

938
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,839
tall barbed wire fence in front of it

939
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,920
and uh and that's where he saw this this

940
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,119
creature but of course he wouldn't have

941
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,960
been able to see it if he was still at

942
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,800
work it was only when he was leaving you

943
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:03,760
know that

944
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:08,079
that he he happened to to to run into it

945
00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:08,800
yeah

946
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,640
we had the one lady who worked for the

947
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:13,200
chicago aviation department who had that

948
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,079
uh

949
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,800
who had that um sighting and

950
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,880
she was but she had stayed late to do

951
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,359
some work and she was uh

952
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,040
talking about how she went outside and

953
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,040
this thing seemed to like it was

954
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,520
like she described it as stalking her

955
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,359
um the only reason it left it was

956
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,599
because a semi had come from the cargo

957
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,599
where it turned from the cargo area down

958
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:35,040
that street

959
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:37,599
uh but even as as she ran for the car

960
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,000
she could still hear it screeching and

961
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,920
you know making that clicking sound that

962
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:44,079
you said it it was making

963
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,119
so it was really strange and of course

964
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,760
you have the usps where the

965
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:52,000
the one ladies

966
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,680
illuminated it with her headlights and

967
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:55,520
it came right at her

968
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:57,760
um that was you know

969
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,480
just

970
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,480
that was at at the same time at a shift

971
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,240
change you know she had just gotten off

972
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:03,520
of work

973
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,240
so

974
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,800
it's it's really strange that you know

975
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:08,800
they it's almost like they want to be

976
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,359
seen uh but at the same time don't want

977
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,510
well that would be one of the the things

978
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,760
that that we had asked during that estas

979
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:22,079
method session um you know it was if

980
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,640
there was something purposeful you know

981
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:27,119
behind these these sightings um and

982
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:28,000
again

983
00:37:31,109 --> 00:37:29,839
it didn't seem like they wanted to talk

984
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:31,119
about it

985
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,000
wow

986
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,839
well hopefully we're going to be able to

987
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,440
connect again

988
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,320
somehow um

989
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,320
you know we'll see

990
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,800
anyway the uh after that

991
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,200
sighting of the uh the large boomerang

992
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,480
ufo by the security guard

993
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:50,640
we had another reported sighting from a

994
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,760
couple years ago in cicero from a family

995
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,599
who was coming home from a fireworks

996
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,119
display and

997
00:38:03,190 --> 00:37:59,440
saw this thing up in a tree

998
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,430
the whole family saw it i think it was a

999
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,920
gentleman his wife and two daughters

1000
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:10,079
they all saw the thing described a very

1001
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:11,599
similar what people have been seeing

1002
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:14,400
with the red eyes and the same body

1003
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:18,160
uh dark body and in the bat like wings

1004
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,320
then we had a uh

1005
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:23,200
another older setting from um

1006
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:25,520
out the gold coast area down down the

1007
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:26,640
city

1008
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,599
uh of something flying around up there

1009
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:32,079
which was described as the same thing a

1010
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,880
batwing being

1011
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:37,119
then we got this sighting of the

1012
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,040
the gargoyle

1013
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,280
that was encountered several times by

1014
00:38:44,829 --> 00:38:43,119
several different people over there at

1015
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,839
stillman valley

1016
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,280
illinois um

1017
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,599
that's an interesting one because

1018
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,680
this is a report

1019
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:53,760
of people who have deaf different people

1020
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,630
that's near rockford and of course we've

1021
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,359
had a lot of sightings around in around

1022
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,040
rockford

1023
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,200
we've had three or four settings around

1024
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,280
there plus this one

1025
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:09,920
uh unfortunately we haven't had anybody

1026
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:12,839
go out there and look at the specific

1027
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,720
location that's in

1028
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:18,240
google county

1029
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:20,240
ogle county

1030
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:21,760
and uh

1031
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,960
it's all for route 72

1032
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,200
there's a truck

1033
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,680
company called glenn denning brothers

1034
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,079
trucking right off

1035
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,680
uh

1036
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:35,200
right off the

1037
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,119
right there where these sightings are

1038
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,720
taking place

1039
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,880
so i don't know

1040
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:44,480
yeah we're going to get somebody out

1041
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:47,280
there at some point

1042
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:49,280
yeah i'm just looking at that location

1043
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:51,359
right now i'm sure it's not that far

1044
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,640
from us

1045
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:54,960
no it's not it's just um

1046
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:57,839
it's just south of you guys

1047
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:00,640
yeah yeah yeah we're only yeah that was

1048
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,880
2015 but yeah right

1049
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:05,599
so

1050
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,760
were very interesting like there was the

1051
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,760
one um where i had spoken to this

1052
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:13,839
witness jonathan directly he actually

1053
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,440
ended up being in the the small town

1054
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,160
monsters you know doc uh

1055
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,079
on the trail the uh lake michigan

1056
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,800
mothman then um and uh his sighting was

1057
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,800
was very interesting you know where he

1058
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,040
basically was was walking his his mother

1059
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,200
out to her car because she was i believe

1060
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,040
a nurse and she was going to go

1061
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,359
to work and so one thing he did which

1062
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,599
was is was very sweet was he would walk

1063
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,520
his mom out to her car

1064
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:39,280
excuse me he would he would walk his mom

1065
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,720
out to her her car and um

1066
00:40:46,230 --> 00:40:45,359
and he saw this thing in in uh in the

1067
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:46,240
tree

1068
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:49,839
you know it sort of

1069
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,160
uh had the the i hate to say

1070
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,640
stereotypical but uh but but relatively

1071
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,839
common i guess uh a mothman appearance

1072
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,319
of this huge you know seemingly winged

1073
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,640
black being with these piercing red eyes

1074
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:04,800
and gave off this screech and of course

1075
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:07,119
he was terrified but what's what's even

1076
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,480
more interesting

1077
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:10,960
about this particular sighting is uh

1078
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,000
sometime later he uh he and a a friend

1079
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,200
of his actually had uh ufo sighting in

1080
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,599
in literally the uh exact same spot

1081
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,720
basically

1082
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,200
which is the same thing that we saw out

1083
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,599
of of paula

1084
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:28,000
in i believe it was

1085
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,599
uh wakanda uh which is a a little town

1086
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:33,839
uh sort of on the outskirts of of

1087
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:36,160
chicago and she had a very similar

1088
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,880
sighting where actually she had hers was

1089
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:41,200
kind of in in reverse order where

1090
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,720
she saw this uh anomalous beam of light

1091
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,680
come down out of the the sky one night

1092
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,160
and uh and sort of you know uh it's

1093
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,400
shown down and uh

1094
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,160
it sort of illuminated this this

1095
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:56,640
relatively small patch in this yard

1096
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,520
across from you know where she lived

1097
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,720
and um and of course she's terrified by

1098
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:03,680
this

1099
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:05,920
because interestingly it almost seemed

1100
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:08,560
to respond to her

1101
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,359
observation so she sees this thing

1102
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,040
and it like uh sort of retracts back up

1103
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,200
right so like it it it comes down it's

1104
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:19,119
like a spotlight but it's not shedding

1105
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,880
light like a a spotlight it almost

1106
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,520
seemed like a a kind of solid light if

1107
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:26,000
that makes any sense yeah and uh and so

1108
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,000
this thing comes down and then it like

1109
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,560
retracts up into the sky and then it

1110
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,280
comes down again and she's like oh god

1111
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,880
it must have seen me you know so she

1112
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,960
like dives her cover and then it just

1113
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:39,040
ends up you know

1114
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,800
retracting one one final time and

1115
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:42,319
leaving but then

1116
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,040
uh sometime later i was i

1117
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:47,280
i think two three years to the day

1118
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:48,240
actually

1119
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,400
uh she was outside doing something

1120
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:52,240
totally normal uh just like taking her

1121
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,440
garbage out

1122
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:55,680
and uh and she sees this thing this

1123
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,880
creature in the exact same spot where

1124
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,280
that that light was and it seemed to be

1125
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,000
approaching her but when it moved

1126
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,560
it it didn't move like you know you or i

1127
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,160
would move it wasn't you know sort of

1128
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,480
walking towards her she described it as

1129
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:13,040
looking like somebody moving through a a

1130
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,240
strobe light

1131
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:16,400
so it just seemed to make these quick

1132
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,480
sort of jumps you know towards her not

1133
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:20,160
like literally jumping but just like

1134
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,839
disappearing and then reappearing very

1135
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,160
quickly you know moving progressively

1136
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,560
towards her and uh and she's terrified

1137
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,640
naturally and so she fumbles her keys to

1138
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,720
get the door open and she's sure this

1139
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,319
thing has to be right behind like right

1140
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,560
behind her and um

1141
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:37,200
and when she uh she finally gets the the

1142
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:38,560
lock open and

1143
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,119
opens the door turns around like the the

1144
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:43,280
thing is just gone

1145
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,319
um

1146
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,160
and so you know

1147
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:48,480
you get some of these these sightings

1148
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,359
where

1149
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:51,680
it's not just that people are seeing you

1150
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:53,280
know uh a

1151
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,560
a ufo in in the the same area or or you

1152
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,319
know somebody's uh having an in

1153
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,800
unrelated ufo sighting you know uh

1154
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,280
similar to the the sighting that manuel

1155
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:05,599
talked about earlier it's it's just so

1156
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,240
puzzling to me to have these witnesses

1157
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,319
um you know very seemingly credible

1158
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,920
people you know uh these two

1159
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:13,920
specifically are people that that i had

1160
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,160
spoken to over the phone i have met in

1161
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,079
person uh they were willing to go on the

1162
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,079
record go on camera

1163
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,760
and i gotta tell you they're not getting

1164
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,400
anything for it other than whatever

1165
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:26,880
peace of mind comes from you know having

1166
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,160
people help them uh in in investigate

1167
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,160
their their personal

1168
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:34,079
experiences you know it's it's not like

1169
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,520
they're they're getting paid or anything

1170
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:37,599
right so

1171
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,400
um

1172
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,680
it's just really really really

1173
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,720
interesting to me and i think that like

1174
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,359
whatever we can do to try to understand

1175
00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:47,599
why you know why why that might be

1176
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,839
happening might get us a whole heck of a

1177
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,599
lot closer to understand

1178
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:54,240
uh why any of this is is is happening

1179
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,800
honestly because they do seem so related

1180
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,640
in so many ways

1181
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:00,560
well yeah it's just like everything else

1182
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,319
you know when investigating the

1183
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:04,400
paranormal and cryptids and such it

1184
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,240
always seems to be

1185
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:08,720
a caveat there where there's another

1186
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,440
phenomena associated with it

1187
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,839
and that may very be very well be what's

1188
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,520
going on here you know we could do get

1189
00:45:21,069 --> 00:45:17,599
occasional ufos and

1190
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,079
occasional other humanoids are possible

1191
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:23,200
extraterrestrials involved with

1192
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,280
these ultra-terrestrial sightings um

1193
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,280
you know maybe we'll we'll

1194
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:31,920
get to work this out with them and get

1195
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,680
some more information

1196
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,280
but you know from the very beginning

1197
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,280
we've been looking at this as far as

1198
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,560
being connected with other phenomena and

1199
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,359
sometimes you think it does but you know

1200
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:44,960
sometimes you know you just get

1201
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:48,160
something you know so um

1202
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,440
uh

1203
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,880
vince yeah

1204
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,119
uh james has asked you thought that the

1205
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,200
ufos and other entities are using the

1206
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,280
same portals

1207
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,520
you know i i have thought for you for a

1208
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,119
long time that

1209
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,960
ufos actually do travel through portals

1210
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,760
uh

1211
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,520
as opposed to

1212
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,359
interstellar travel

1213
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,839
for the most part you know

1214
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:13,920
i i i think i i think there's a

1215
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,520
possibility there what do you guys think

1216
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:19,920
well i mean could that be

1217
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:22,800
their connection to specific areas for

1218
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:24,400
instance um

1219
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,520
you know were

1220
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:27,520
if if there were

1221
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,800
just to say for the the sake of argument

1222
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,640
uh certain areas

1223
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:34,240
that um

1224
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:36,000
you know were

1225
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,800
uh more prone or or or i guess receptive

1226
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,760
to

1227
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:43,920
something like interdimensional you know

1228
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,319
travel or or travel between parallel

1229
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,560
universes or something like that

1230
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,359
then yeah i mean i would imagine that uh

1231
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,040
that that all entities that sort of

1232
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:55,200
exist in those spaces

1233
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:59,200
would make use of of the the same you

1234
00:47:02,950 --> 00:46:59,920
know

1235
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:02,960
uh egress to to travel

1236
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,000
between those like those those those uh

1237
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,910
yeah and i think that you know think

1238
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,160
about the whole area i mean

1239
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,230
from where let's just say from where

1240
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,599
chicago's at

1241
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:21,920
i mean you put a kind of a 200 mile

1242
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,119
radius or so 150 mile 200 mile radius

1243
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,480
think about how much has gone on in that

1244
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,000
that little area

1245
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,000
i mean you have um

1246
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,520
so many ufo sightings so many um

1247
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,240
disappearances um

1248
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,200
so many like crypto sightings i mean

1249
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:43,520
everything from mothman to you know

1250
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,880
pterosaurs rocks or not rocks but uh

1251
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,520
thunderbirds sightings uh native

1252
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,359
american

1253
00:47:56,549 --> 00:47:53,680
not too far from like where tobias and i

1254
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,559
live is uh ray road you know you have

1255
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:59,200
uh dogman sightings you have the kettle

1256
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,319
more rain where

1257
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:01,839
and

1258
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,079
be seen at the kettle moraine so

1259
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,880
they're all within a certain area

1260
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:10,000
um

1261
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,720
and

1262
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,559
the history not just within the last

1263
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,359
like 20 30 years but some of this stuff

1264
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,839
has been going on for hundreds of years

1265
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:18,880
i mean

1266
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:21,599
um you know you got to kind of think

1267
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:23,040
that there's got to be something with

1268
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,240
the area

1269
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,319
alone you know maybe it's the lake maybe

1270
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:28,480
it's you know the convergence of ley

1271
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,960
lines or something you know

1272
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,400
you know

1273
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:34,640
that have that cause all this stuff to

1274
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,920
happen i mean so much high strateginess

1275
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:39,359
you know happens

1276
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,559
um

1277
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:42,160
all the stuff that's in there uh let's

1278
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:43,200
just say

1279
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:44,640
from the airport

1280
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,559
many strange haunted places or

1281
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,640
where there's been high strangeness in

1282
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:54,960
the chicago area you have

1283
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:57,440
multiple cemeteries that are considered

1284
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,200
haunted um

1285
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,760
you know you have one where um

1286
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,680
there's a there's a cemetery where you

1287
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:05,040
can see um

1288
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:06,400
a um

1289
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,680
hitchhiker

1290
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,760
that you see uh

1291
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,240
that people see all the time there's uh

1292
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:14,160
there's an actual place um

1293
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,839
it's a very old dilapidated um

1294
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,520
cemetery i believe it's called it's

1295
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,440
called bachelor's grove

1296
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:23,680
um it's considered to be one of the most

1297
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,040
haunted places

1298
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,880
you know on the planet

1299
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,760
and

1300
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,359
some of these some of the people that i

1301
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,880
know that are like pagans and stuff like

1302
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,240
that have said they've gone there and

1303
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:34,880
have just been overwhelmed

1304
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:37,760
by how much energy is going there

1305
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,880
um

1306
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:41,359
so many different places you know the

1307
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,640
the um

1308
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,440
there is a nightclub in chicago color

1309
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,599
they used to be called uh excalibur they

1310
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:50,160
used to be a morgue for uh

1311
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,440
the chicago fire and when the there's a

1312
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:55,280
orphanage to burn down to use it as a

1313
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,240
morgue

1314
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,720
uh the alley were the uh

1315
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,720
where the uh

1316
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,800
same valentine's day massacre

1317
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:05,200
you know still considered very haunted

1318
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,079
um

1319
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,359
so many things from ufos to usos

1320
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,760
been seen coming in and out of the lake

1321
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,280
uh there's um

1322
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:15,040
not too far from

1323
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,079
um

1324
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,599
on the lake a place called the lake

1325
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,359
michigan triangle

1326
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,640
where they've had so many things happen

1327
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,680
you know

1328
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,559
all this stuff happening here um it's

1329
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,520
just

1330
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,119
two and it's all happening within like a

1331
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:31,200
200 mile radius i mean you can get on

1332
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,480
your car and go

1333
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,240
to most of these places within a couple

1334
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,240
of hours um

1335
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,400
you know so many things happening

1336
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:40,800
strange things happening because of this

1337
00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:42,880
and i think a lot of it has to do with

1338
00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:46,079
like portals or you know maybe you know

1339
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,680
native american

1340
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,559
uh

1341
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:50,559
sightings like kettle moraine i can only

1342
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,920
imagine if that place is probably

1343
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,599
you know tied somehow to the first

1344
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,280
nation tribes that were there you know

1345
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,040
you have so many tribes in that area

1346
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,640
like the oneida

1347
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,359
uh people that are there um

1348
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,680
how many of that stuff could possibly be

1349
00:51:09,109 --> 00:51:07,680
you know explained because you know of

1350
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,119
native american

1351
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:11,200
uh shamanism or something

1352
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,079
um

1353
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,160
yeah i think that the portals that they

1354
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,760
all use that they are using the same

1355
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:18,400
portals or a combination of portals just

1356
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,480
to get in and out of the area but i mean

1357
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,480
so much stuff is concentrated within

1358
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:24,240
this little area

1359
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,359
that's just

1360
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:28,800
it's not you can't ignore it you know

1361
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,760
sure no i mean i uh most well all of

1362
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,760
wisconsin of course uh

1363
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,800
belong to to various uh indigenous

1364
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,280
peoples you know prior to european

1365
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,079
settlement um i i don't know

1366
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,200
how much of it is is related to them

1367
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:47,760
directly i i do know

1368
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,359
um from you know of a few of my friends

1369
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:53,440
that that happened you know to to be

1370
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:55,760
native american that you know certainly

1371
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:59,200
um they grew up hearing stories of about

1372
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:00,880
strange things um

1373
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:03,280
and so that was very much or is very

1374
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,160
much a a part of of of their specific

1375
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,880
culture at least um to speak to that

1376
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:10,880
point about geographic areas too now

1377
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,640
this was interesting and i don't think

1378
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:15,280
i've i've had a chance to tell you guys

1379
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:16,800
about this so

1380
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,040
remember back this was thanksgiving of

1381
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,480
2020 uh two young women in oregon

1382
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,920
wisconsin said that they were out

1383
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,240
driving and they saw this this winged

1384
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:28,960
humanoid and so when emily and i uh went

1385
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,640
to go check it out now these two

1386
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:32,480
witnesses had said that they had had

1387
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:34,640
some kind of weird interference with

1388
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:36,240
their radio

1389
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,599
and so you know naturally that's

1390
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,040
something we were looking for when we

1391
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:41,520
went to go uh investigate this sighting

1392
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,040
area now nothing happened to our car

1393
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,319
radio but when we got home all of our

1394
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,440
recording devices all had the same weird

1395
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,079
uh audio interference it was just weird

1396
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,800
like crackling sort of popping

1397
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,000
and it

1398
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:59,200
there was no explanation for it and so

1399
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,400
um you know we we went back maybe uh a

1400
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:04,800
week or two later um because the the

1401
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,960
first time we had gone uh of of course

1402
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,359
was as as quickly as as we could it was

1403
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,240
maybe

1404
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,040
uh a week or so after the actual

1405
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:14,880
sighting because they had only contacted

1406
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:18,400
us you know a a couple days before that

1407
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:19,359
and so

1408
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:20,240
you know

1409
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,319
was maybe a a week or two later and and

1410
00:53:30,069 --> 00:53:28,880
the same audio interference happened but

1411
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,079
it was

1412
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:32,079
much quieter

1413
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:34,960
and then uh this past thanksgiving we we

1414
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,040
decided because we were home anyway

1415
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:39,680
that uh well hey what the hell why not

1416
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,040
on the one year anniversary of this

1417
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,440
sighting let's go back to this area

1418
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,000
we'll bring the the same stuff and we'll

1419
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:50,000
see if it happens you know

1420
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:51,040
again

1421
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,640
and this time

1422
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:54,960
dead quiet no audio interference

1423
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,960
whatsoever so we went from

1424
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,839
uh

1425
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,760
a relatively

1426
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:02,640
uh like recent uh visit where it was

1427
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,599
very very loud uh recent to the the

1428
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,000
sighting not to right now um where it

1429
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:09,440
was very very loud

1430
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:11,920
to it getting progressively quieter

1431
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,240
until one year later it's completely

1432
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,599
gone

1433
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,920
and the only thing i i i could think of

1434
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,920
or at least where my

1435
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,359
uh

1436
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:23,920
imagination took me thinking about this

1437
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:24,880
was

1438
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:28,880
some sort of door closing in in that

1439
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,920
area and and whatever it it it was

1440
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,319
whatever this this door was that allowed

1441
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,000
this thing to come through

1442
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,280
it uh

1443
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,280
whatever it was made of

1444
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,240
um reacted with our equipment in such a

1445
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:45,760
way as to uh interfere with its its

1446
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:48,559
audio you know like if there was some

1447
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,839
some uh uh

1448
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,040
electromagnetic frequency

1449
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,680
being created by this phenomenon that

1450
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,079
that messed with our

1451
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,559
equipment and this thing was only able

1452
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,079
to come through

1453
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,440
or you know be seen or whatever

1454
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,240
while it it it was active

1455
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,960
well there hasn't been a sighting since

1456
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,680
and

1457
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:14,079
if this door closed

1458
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,030
well you know it's interesting because

1459
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,640
you mentioned to me when i posted this

1460
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,960
thing the other night about the um

1461
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,119
the sighting out there by the quarries

1462
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,150
uh

1463
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,440
what's the name thornton illinois yeah

1464
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,280
illinois and uh

1465
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,960
this thing was seen

1466
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,400
hovering or

1467
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:43,280
gliding above the quarry out there

1468
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,200
the quarries out there because this

1469
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,359
place is humongous

1470
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,599
and the guy had mentioned

1471
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,400
having radio interference as he was

1472
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,720
driving and noticing it then

1473
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:57,200
happened to notice this thing

1474
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,559
above him or above the quarry so

1475
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,640
you know apparently other people had

1476
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,480
stopped on the highway as well to look

1477
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:06,559
at this thing

1478
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,960
uh apparently there was some type of um

1479
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,720
other

1480
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,040
supernatural aspect to this being where

1481
00:56:19,829 --> 00:56:16,960
it had like this silvering

1482
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,839
silvery like glow around it and you know

1483
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,400
i've heard that before with other

1484
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:23,920
phenomena you know

1485
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,599
especially with the upright canine we've

1486
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:27,440
heard that with people saying that

1487
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,640
they've

1488
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,920
sent some type of silly aura or sheen

1489
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,599
around this being

1490
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,520
so i don't know i mean maybe that's

1491
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,680
something to do with the these these

1492
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:39,839
wing humanoids as well

1493
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,359
so um yeah who knows i mean is this some

1494
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:45,280
type of electrical or magnetic

1495
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,000
interference

1496
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,319
very well could be i guess

1497
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,319
yeah yeah

1498
00:56:56,549 --> 00:56:55,040
well you you you see that kind or those

1499
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:56,559
kinds of

1500
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,680
phenomena uh present in uh ufo sightings

1501
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,520
often people will talk about

1502
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,760
uh you know their their car just

1503
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,839
shutting off or the the radio

1504
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:08,480
malfunctioning and so if we're talking

1505
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:11,359
about something um say like the the use

1506
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,400
of portals for for

1507
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,200
uh just the the sake of speculation in

1508
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:18,880
in this argument you know if we're

1509
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:20,319
talking about something like portals

1510
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,440
used by multiple types of entities

1511
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,000
it would make sense to have these common

1512
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,400
phenomena across

1513
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:31,520
these uh seemingly disparate encounters

1514
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:34,559
so if a winch humanoid and a dog man and

1515
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:38,400
uh a ufo are all using the the same

1516
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,280
means to to gain entrance to our

1517
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,400
universe and whatever that is

1518
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,079
uh creates this sort of like

1519
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:48,640
electromagnetic

1520
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,160
effect that interferes with electronics

1521
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:54,160
then we should be seeing it in

1522
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,160
coordination with all kinds of sightings

1523
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:58,880
and the weird thing is we are

1524
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,799
yeah and you know

1525
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,799
i i guess not everybody picks up on it

1526
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:04,240
but maybe there are some of these

1527
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,799
sightings that that you know maybe they

1528
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,960
haven't mentioned it or whatever but i

1529
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:11,280
believe that there very well could be

1530
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,040
you know it's interesting we we did get

1531
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:15,599
a question about the um

1532
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:19,359
uh from james about the uh possibility

1533
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,880
of other

1534
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:23,760
phenomena uses the same portals to come

1535
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,319
in and out as the ultra terrestrials are

1536
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,480
from the same dimension and such

1537
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,240
and you know i i believe it does you

1538
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:32,319
know this is one thing that we did get

1539
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,040
from

1540
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:34,880
the unseen ones

1541
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,920
was that there are other wing beans on

1542
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:40,559
their dimension as well as

1543
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,960
bigfoot like creatures which they call

1544
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:44,079
saba

1545
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,680
and uh

1546
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:48,079
and upright canines and

1547
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:51,920
i whatever else may be there as well so

1548
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,400
are these other beings

1549
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:55,760
ultra-terrestrials very well could you

1550
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:57,760
know we've been talking about this

1551
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:00,160
interdimensional theory as far as other

1552
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,599
cryptids for a long time now

1553
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,079
are they coming through on the same

1554
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:08,160
the same portal same wavelength or

1555
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,510
yeah i'm

1556
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:15,040
go ahead go ahead

1557
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,920
okay

1558
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,040
i was just going to say that i mean that

1559
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,640
was something that uh you know i was

1560
00:59:22,950 --> 00:59:21,359
speculating about in my uh my lake

1561
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,960
michigan mothman book you know sort of

1562
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:24,319
the idea

1563
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,200
that

1564
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:27,920
there is this whole

1565
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,119
ecology of beings right that sort of

1566
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:33,599
exists you know either on the level of

1567
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:36,160
consciousness or that seems to interact

1568
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:38,480
with us uh in in in some way directly

1569
00:59:44,069 --> 00:59:40,000
through consciousness

1570
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:44,079
and um you know if that's the case then

1571
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,839
what is that what does that mean for us

1572
00:59:51,109 --> 00:59:48,720
like for instance if you believe in

1573
00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:51,119
the the persistence of of human

1574
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,400
consciousness after death right um would

1575
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:57,119
you then be able to interact with these

1576
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,450
other beings

1577
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,000
[Music]

1578
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,240
you know i it's it's just something that

1579
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,559
that i i spent probably a weird amount

1580
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,079
of time thinking about

1581
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,760
but um you know definitely something

1582
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,280
that that has

1583
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,319
occurred to me as a a possibility you

1584
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:14,319
know considering everything that these

1585
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:21,030
well the most recent encounter that we

1586
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,349
late december which of course were the

1587
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:30,960
three

1588
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:33,839
er hera winged humanoids that these

1589
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,480
witnesses apparently had recorded on

1590
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,559
their phones

1591
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:40,880
and then the witnesses were approached

1592
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,839
by tsa and their own

1593
01:00:48,549 --> 01:00:45,839
it was american airlines

1594
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,559
their own um

1595
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:50,640
management and were threatened with

1596
01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:54,240
termination if they disclosed this

1597
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:55,359
uh so

1598
01:00:59,910 --> 01:00:58,720
you know manuel you you uh you took this

1599
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:59,920
report

1600
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:01,599
why don't you go ahead and give us the

1601
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:04,000
synopsis and everything that happened

1602
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:11,190
i'm glad to um well basically these um

1603
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:13,520
these three maintenance workers were

1604
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:16,319
uh working on an airplane uh they were

1605
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:18,559
trying to bring it into uh the hangar

1606
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,079
there's um

1607
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,799
on the northern end of uh the

1608
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,880
airport on the

1609
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,119
rights on the left side of the airport

1610
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:28,559
there's um

1611
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,559
three massive hangars from american

1612
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:32,960
airlines and they use them to do

1613
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:34,880
maintenance on the airplanes that come

1614
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:35,760
through

1615
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,359
um they were trying to tow a uh

1616
01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,160
jet into the airport into the uh

1617
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,640
off the tarmac and into the building

1618
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:46,880
and as they were hooking up they had

1619
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:47,760
like a

1620
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:50,839
the way he had talked about it was a tug

1621
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:52,960
um that um

1622
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,599
hooked up to this uh airport to this

1623
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:57,599
plane and then they would use the tug to

1624
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:58,480
you know

1625
01:02:01,589 --> 01:02:00,799
tow the airplane in as they were trying

1626
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:01,599
to

1627
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,599
you know hey look at what's over there

1628
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,480
they

1629
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:08,319
turned to see three creatures sitting

1630
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,200
there

1631
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,119
you know looking straight at them

1632
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,520
um they described them as you know i'm

1633
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:15,440
trying to actually pull it up right now

1634
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,549
yeah they were seven foot tall and they

1635
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,079
were just staring right at him they were

1636
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:26,480
completely black with wings

1637
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:30,000
um they had uh the glowing eyes

1638
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:31,200
and um

1639
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:33,039
within a few seconds of that happiness

1640
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:34,480
security guard

1641
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:35,839
um

1642
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:38,160
you know pulls up these guys had started

1643
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:39,599
recording

1644
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:40,960
all this they had pulled out their

1645
01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:43,440
phones and stuff and uh seconds later

1646
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:45,359
security vehicle comes screaming up with

1647
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:48,000
the driveway and stops and some um he

1648
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,680
described as a white chubby security

1649
01:02:53,510 --> 01:02:51,520
person runs out with his flashlights and

1650
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:53,520
starts checking the area

1651
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:56,000
um he's shortly joined by three other

1652
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:58,400
trucks and a couple of other supervisors

1653
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,079
that he recognized from the staff

1654
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,400
meetings um

1655
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:04,400
i look over and you know there he's

1656
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:06,079
looking over this coworkers they're also

1657
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,359
recording

1658
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:09,119
this and that's when they're told you

1659
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,720
know to put that away and get back to

1660
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:11,760
work

1661
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,359
um

1662
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:14,880
that uh

1663
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,240
you know she would be they would be

1664
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,480
reported to their supervisors

1665
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:20,160
um

1666
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,520
the area where these things were must

1667
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:23,680
have been about he said that there were

1668
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:25,359
at least four different cameras in that

1669
01:03:27,430 --> 01:03:26,480
area

1670
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:27,440
you know

1671
01:03:31,990 --> 01:03:29,039
security cameras

1672
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:32,000
so what gets me is that you know if

1673
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,839
there were this thing these things were

1674
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,599
obviously seen

1675
01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:36,960
um

1676
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:38,559
you know on camera

1677
01:03:42,150 --> 01:03:40,640
but shortly thereafter they were called

1678
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:42,160
into a meeting in the break room they

1679
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,520
were just told go report to the break

1680
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:45,520
room do not talk to anybody

1681
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,480
um

1682
01:03:49,750 --> 01:03:47,839
they went in there and that's when they

1683
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,760
were you know confronted with you know

1684
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:51,599
supervisors and you know security

1685
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,799
personnel

1686
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,400
and they were basically given an

1687
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:56,160
ultimatum loser you know delete the

1688
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:59,440
videos in front of us or lose your job

1689
01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:00,319
um

1690
01:04:05,349 --> 01:04:02,640
they did ask for their you know their

1691
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,359
union reps their union represented

1692
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:07,680
employees so they you know obviously you

1693
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:09,440
know requested for their union reps to

1694
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:10,559
be there and they were told this is

1695
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,599
beyond a union um you know you have a

1696
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:16,160
choice you know either do this or

1697
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,960
you know lose your job and

1698
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,559
all of them comply they were basically

1699
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,559
bullied into you know

1700
01:04:26,710 --> 01:04:24,480
showing them that hey you know they had

1701
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,720
deleted the videos in front of them

1702
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:27,839
um

1703
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:29,599
and they were told you know did they you

1704
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,000
know if you talk to anybody or this gets

1705
01:04:37,349 --> 01:04:35,280
out you know you will lose your jobs um

1706
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:37,359
he did bring up an interesting point

1707
01:04:42,789 --> 01:04:41,200
though he did state that um

1708
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:42,799
many of the people that were involved in

1709
01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,440
that july 22nd sighting

1710
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:47,119
where it was seen

1711
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:48,000
they were

1712
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:49,920
the the being was seen being surrounded

1713
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,640
by security by multiple employees

1714
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,480
most of those employees had either been

1715
01:04:58,870 --> 01:04:57,200
um let go terminated or had been

1716
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:58,880
reassigned

1717
01:05:00,870 --> 01:05:00,079
um

1718
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:00,880
so

1719
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,280
they were being basically you know

1720
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:04,799
made examples he says that they were

1721
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,799
being made examples to other employees

1722
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,640
that do not you know

1723
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,640
do not be reporting this do not talk to

1724
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,640
people um

1725
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,359
you know this gentleman he came he came

1726
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,599
forward he you know he was

1727
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:19,359
brave enough to come forward and say

1728
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:20,720
this but

1729
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,640
what got me was um

1730
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:24,799
he was he

1731
01:05:29,349 --> 01:05:26,799
is that they had the video if if this

1732
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:29,359
video was as close as they said it was

1733
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:31,920
this should have been you know

1734
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,160
clear as daylight you know

1735
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,400
sitting there and to think that if there

1736
01:05:40,470 --> 01:05:38,720
are security cameras in the area this

1737
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,480
has to have been you know picked up at

1738
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,640
least a couple of times on cameras

1739
01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,559
but you know good luck trying to get

1740
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,400
some of that you know

1741
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:48,079
footage um

1742
01:05:51,270 --> 01:05:49,440
yeah we can put as many four-year

1743
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,280
requests we want to and that that's just

1744
01:05:55,190 --> 01:05:53,839
going to hit a dead end i guarantee you

1745
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,200
that

1746
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:57,200
yeah i mean he was talking about

1747
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:59,200
the gentleman that when i spoke with him

1748
01:06:02,789 --> 01:06:01,039
you know he did state you know the area

1749
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:02,799
that they were at was

1750
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,319
they were by a chaining fence that

1751
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:06,559
separated the tarmac from the from the

1752
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:07,839
parking lots

1753
01:06:10,470 --> 01:06:08,720
um

1754
01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,480
so he says that when they showed up they

1755
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:12,160
showed up within seconds of these you

1756
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,039
know

1757
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:15,039
beings and these beings like they took

1758
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:15,839
off

1759
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:16,799
um

1760
01:06:21,510 --> 01:06:19,280
they you know basically daddled out of

1761
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:21,520
that area as quickly as possible

1762
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:22,799
um

1763
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,839
they were just like within seconds there

1764
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:27,359
were security personnel all over the

1765
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:29,200
place so i mean obviously

1766
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,039
they must be being seen on camera or

1767
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:33,760
something for these uh people

1768
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,599
to show up but i mean

1769
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,119
when he talked about the people that

1770
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:38,960
were in that office he said they were

1771
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,599
you know american airlines executives

1772
01:06:45,029 --> 01:06:43,200
and you know that they were told

1773
01:06:46,390 --> 01:06:45,039
basically you know the union can't do

1774
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:46,400
anything for you

1775
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:47,599
um

1776
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:49,039
you have a

1777
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:51,039
you know a choice either you know show

1778
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:52,640
us that you delete this or delete it in

1779
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,599
front of us or you know lose your job

1780
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,280
and when they did approach the union

1781
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:59,039
about it they were told that the union

1782
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:00,880
you know would look into the incident

1783
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:03,440
and get back to them but they've never

1784
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,119
heard back um

1785
01:07:08,230 --> 01:07:06,640
you know from this

1786
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,240
so it kind of thinks that you know

1787
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,599
they're starting to get into some strong

1788
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,160
armed tactics to try to you know

1789
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,720
more or less bully

1790
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:15,599
um

1791
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,119
these people into uh trying to keep them

1792
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:21,359
from talking

1793
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:22,480
well

1794
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,359
see this is what i was told to i mean

1795
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:28,799
my contact at one of the uh one of the

1796
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:31,680
commercial carriers

1797
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,559
uh

1798
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:35,280
was telling me that

1799
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,240
the security is being stepped up

1800
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,920
and uh

1801
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,359
there have been people who have lost

1802
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,680
their jobs

1803
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:45,760
who have been put on

1804
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:51,270
i did ask them about the union

1805
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:53,760
involvement she says she knows of no

1806
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:56,720
grievances because she never received or

1807
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,079
they never received anything

1808
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,119
if grievances were filed

1809
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:05,440
or if they were presented to

1810
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:09,119
to specific companies i don't know

1811
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:13,119
i did get a hold of the the union you

1812
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,400
mentioned to me and i'm not going to

1813
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,400
mention one here

1814
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,239
and uh

1815
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,880
someone did get back to me

1816
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:23,279
and said that they were aware of this

1817
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:25,120
incident

1818
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:26,960
but of course they couldn't comment on

1819
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,319
it

1820
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:30,560
which you know me being the next union

1821
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:32,880
official i understand that

1822
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,920
it's you know it's confidential so

1823
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,080
i don't know where that's at what point

1824
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:40,960
that is but they were aware of it

1825
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,430
the fact

1826
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,120
you know it's one thing about this if

1827
01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:51,040
they did get video it's a damn scene

1828
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,640
they didn't upload it on the cloud

1829
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:55,120
somewhere before this thing got

1830
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,239
uh

1831
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,080
deleted

1832
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,080
that's a shame

1833
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,319
but uh anyway

1834
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:04,960
i can understand where they were freaked

1835
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,319
out and and

1836
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:09,120
surprised and shocked by the response

1837
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,400
they got

1838
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:12,799
but you are right they are stepping up

1839
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,309
i i've also been you know i i also been

1840
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,000
told that

1841
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:24,000
it's it's going on in the terminals as

1842
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:25,600
well that you know

1843
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:28,000
there's a lot of talk among people who

1844
01:09:32,950 --> 01:09:30,799
are working not only on the tarmac or in

1845
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:32,960
the maintenance areas or in the cargo

1846
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,799
areas it's going on in the carrier areas

1847
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,759
in the passenger areas as well

1848
01:09:43,030 --> 01:09:41,359
so uh

1849
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:43,040
who knows

1850
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,480
i mean how much more this is going to

1851
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,279
how how is this going to progress i mean

1852
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:51,120
why are they doing this you know the

1853
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:54,320
only thing i can think of

1854
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,520
of why is a commercial reason

1855
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:00,320
or a monetary reason of course you know

1856
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:03,040
the covet thing put a put a crimp on the

1857
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:03,920
um

1858
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:06,480
on the airline industry they lost a lot

1859
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:12,390
maybe then coming out of that and then

1860
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,840
people

1861
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,000
having to worry about these beings

1862
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:18,400
showing up and maybe causing an airline

1863
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,440
accident

1864
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:21,600
i want to get sucked up in the engine or

1865
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,880
something maybe that's what they're

1866
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,960
considering i don't know

1867
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:26,400
but it does

1868
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:28,840
the strong arm arm

1869
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,920
tactics is is a little strange to me uh

1870
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:35,360
i don't know what are your thoughts on

1871
01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:37,520
that tobias

1872
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,480
well i

1873
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,320
you know this is something that that i i

1874
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:42,320
personally struggle with um because

1875
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:43,760
we're talking about

1876
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,520
something that has a real world effect

1877
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:50,159
on on actual people's lives and and if

1878
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:52,480
that's the case you know uh assuming all

1879
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:55,679
of these stories are are true which

1880
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,280
at this point it is in assumption you

1881
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,000
know um i i can't offer up anybody

1882
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:05,520
evidence to persuade them if if if they

1883
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,280
don't believe them and and i don't i

1884
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,560
don't blame them

1885
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:13,590
i would hope if people are actually

1886
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:16,480
being fired over this you know

1887
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:18,880
that once they no longer have something

1888
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:21,199
to lose you've already been fired you

1889
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,159
know like what else are they gonna do

1890
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,560
why not just come forward and say hey

1891
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:28,239
this is bs

1892
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:31,199
i was fired because i saw this this

1893
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:32,320
weird thing

1894
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:33,679
that to me

1895
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,320
is the the missing piece here you know

1896
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,640
like assuming again assuming all of this

1897
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,040
is is true and and the airport is is

1898
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:43,040
really cracking down on these sightings

1899
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,719
if you're currently employed i

1900
01:11:48,390 --> 01:11:46,640
understand being very very cautious like

1901
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,400
that makes a lot of sense but once

1902
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,640
you've been fired screw it like why

1903
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:52,640
aren't they on here right now you know

1904
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:55,120
like if any of them are watching please

1905
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:56,159
hold them up

1906
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,120
i agree with you i agree with you but

1907
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:01,360
you know i and i thought that myself but

1908
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,120
as again

1909
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:05,760
i i have done grievance

1910
01:12:11,430 --> 01:12:09,520
arbitrations in the past and um

1911
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:11,440
if this was and i was trying to put

1912
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:14,800
myself in their shoes

1913
01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:18,400
if i was to present this a grievance or

1914
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,679
you know in front of an arbiter

1915
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:23,520
the first thing i would be telling these

1916
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,600
folks is don't tell anybody about this

1917
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:30,000
because this is going to go if you do

1918
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,520
start trouble

1919
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:33,760
now i'm not not that i want them to do

1920
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:36,239
that now this is the thinking of a union

1921
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:37,840
representative

1922
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,400
if if you don't want this to go

1923
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,480
uh beyond

1924
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,159
the union

1925
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,560
and the employee and going into an at

1926
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,960
will

1927
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:52,560
violation

1928
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:54,960
where they could be fired at will for

1929
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,709
for

1930
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:02,880
actually doing something detrimental to

1931
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:08,630
then then by talking about it they may

1932
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,440
very well get on that level to where the

1933
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:14,080
union can help them out

1934
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:15,679
and that i do understand they've been

1935
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:17,920
fired then why would it matter right

1936
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:19,360
well you know you know these

1937
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,400
arbitrations when somebody gets fired

1938
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,440
the arbitrations can take up to a year

1939
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,320
after the actual termination

1940
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,560
and if they're trying to get their job

1941
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,960
back through an arbitration

1942
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,480
you know if they go in there in front of

1943
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:36,560
an arbiter and when they're under

1944
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,320
questioned by the attorneys for the

1945
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:40,320
company

1946
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:42,480
and they ask them look did you disclose

1947
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:45,440
this to anybody else if they say they do

1948
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:47,840
that might be the ball game there

1949
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,719
okay

1950
01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:50,719
i'm just looking i'm just looking at it

1951
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:53,600
yeah i'm just looking at it as a

1952
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:54,320
as

1953
01:14:02,550 --> 01:13:59,600
representing

1954
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,560
a uh case for the union

1955
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:04,239
for the employee

1956
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:05,600
and look i've been through a lot of

1957
01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,360
those a matter of time then we just have

1958
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,000
to wait well we'll see he has exhausted

1959
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,080
arbitration and everything yeah at a

1960
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,640
certain point they got nothing to lose

1961
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:17,040
well absolutely and i agree with you and

1962
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:18,640
you know i would love for them to come

1963
01:14:22,950 --> 01:14:19,520
forward

1964
01:14:25,350 --> 01:14:22,960
and i i'm hoping that others will

1965
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:25,360
but if there's a union involved and i

1966
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,440
know how it is i mean i know how you

1967
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:29,199
work with that i mean they're going to

1968
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,239
tell them

1969
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,080
you know i know you want to tell

1970
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:33,760
somebody i know you want to go out and

1971
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:35,600
do this and this and this since you're

1972
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,880
fired

1973
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,880
but if you want to get your job back

1974
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,040
with back pay

1975
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,000
uh i suggest you shut your mouth

1976
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,560
and so you let us do the work and try to

1977
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,640
get your job back with any other without

1978
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:50,640
any other incident involved

1979
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:53,360
and that might be the case so i don't

1980
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:54,880
know i you know you know i'm trying to

1981
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,800
get more information from these union

1982
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:57,920
people but

1983
01:15:01,110 --> 01:14:59,840
they're not going to say much

1984
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:01,120
uh

1985
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,520
yeah i don't know how strong

1986
01:15:08,830 --> 01:15:06,560
union representation is for these

1987
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:08,840
airline workers

1988
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:12,320
uh of course this would be a maintenance

1989
01:15:18,310 --> 01:15:16,560
uh or on ground union represent a union

1990
01:15:21,189 --> 01:15:18,320
local union

1991
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:21,199
or international union so uh

1992
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,120
i i don't know how strong it is you know

1993
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:25,520
unions have taken a real hit over the

1994
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:26,640
years

1995
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:29,120
and uh

1996
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,719
it's not like he used to be but um

1997
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:34,960
that's the only thing i can think of so

1998
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,280
but no i hope people do come forward but

1999
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:39,120
they have been cracking down there's no

2000
01:15:44,470 --> 01:15:40,480
doubt about it

2001
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,480
and if this if this is what they did if

2002
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,800
they did take a video

2003
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:49,199
and they were forced

2004
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:50,560
on

2005
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:54,800
remove the video

2006
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:57,760
well and i can understand why they did

2007
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,800
it and uh but the fact like manual said

2008
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:02,960
this guy came forward i got to give him

2009
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,480
a lot of cred i really do i'm just

2010
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,960
hoping others will do that now

2011
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,560
i don't you know we have

2012
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,400
we have not been getting a lot of

2013
01:16:17,270 --> 01:16:14,880
reports as of late

2014
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,280
so maybe there's there's something to

2015
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:19,679
that maybe that is a detriment and while

2016
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:22,960
we're not getting reports i don't know

2017
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:25,280
well i mean also kind of think about it

2018
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,960
this way i mean

2019
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:28,640
um

2020
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,960
you know i work in dispatching so

2021
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:36,000
um

2022
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,080
sometimes i have to sign what are called

2023
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:40,080
non-disclosure agreements that are

2024
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,040
enforced for like three to four years

2025
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:44,960
after i've terminated with the company

2026
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:47,600
so exactly i can't just go and say hey

2027
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:49,520
well we did it this way at this job you

2028
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,840
know because then you know i can get

2029
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,000
turn around and get sued for

2030
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,719
you know disclosing anything um

2031
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,159
i mean maybe this is what they're

2032
01:17:01,990 --> 01:17:00,080
forcing them to do you know

2033
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,000
okay you know as part of their

2034
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:04,239
employment you know you have to

2035
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:06,000
you have to uh

2036
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,239
you know uh

2037
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,159
you know keep your mouth shut or they

2038
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:11,840
could even say you know if you record

2039
01:17:17,030 --> 01:17:14,800
anything on your phone uh

2040
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:17,040
you know if it's on our property it's

2041
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:18,880
ours you know

2042
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:21,040
you know we can turn around and sue you

2043
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,480
for it uh yeah

2044
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:24,080
right you know

2045
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,480
there's any number of things i mean i i

2046
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:27,920
would love to have some of these guys

2047
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:29,600
come forward you know

2048
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,640
and and go on the record to and say hey

2049
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:34,560
this is what's happening trust me it

2050
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:37,679
would be wonderful i would you know

2051
01:17:44,390 --> 01:17:39,040
you know

2052
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,400
of it non-video or any everything but at

2053
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:46,239
the same time like you said

2054
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:47,679
if they are still going through an

2055
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,320
arbitration process you know

2056
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:52,159
you know these are jobs that are are

2057
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:53,520
kind of you know

2058
01:17:57,750 --> 01:17:55,760
they pay very good money i mean these

2059
01:17:58,870 --> 01:17:57,760
are jobs that um you know i know we have

2060
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:58,880
we're kind of in the middle of what

2061
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,400
they're calling the great resignation

2062
01:18:05,030 --> 01:18:02,800
but these are jobs that you don't want

2063
01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:05,040
to really lose you know these are

2064
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:06,480
well paying

2065
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:12,320
unionized jobs and uh some of these this

2066
01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:14,480
some of these places you know

2067
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:15,600
some of these

2068
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:16,400
uh

2069
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,800
witnesses you know they've they worked

2070
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:20,480
their way up

2071
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,520
um

2072
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,199
from them i mean i believe the person

2073
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:25,280
that was i'm actually just checking it

2074
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,760
out he had was eight years he was an

2075
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,080
eight-year maintenance employee

2076
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:32,880
so i mean to be aircraft maintenance is

2077
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:34,800
very very specialized yeah he's got

2078
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,440
seniority in tenure and you know he's

2079
01:18:42,149 --> 01:18:39,760
probably making top dollar now

2080
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,159
yeah and then the thing is i mean it's

2081
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,239
not just like uh he's going to say oh

2082
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,719
i'm it's not kind of like it can't i'm

2083
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,239
just going to compare you know apples

2084
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:50,239
oranges but it can't be like hey i'm

2085
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,520
going to quit mcdonald's i'm going to go

2086
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:53,679
work at wendy's you know there can only

2087
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,760
be an aircraft maintenance person can

2088
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,199
only work

2089
01:19:01,990 --> 01:18:59,520
you know on aircraft and you know well

2090
01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:02,000
you know airlines talk to each other you

2091
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:03,040
know

2092
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:06,960
that could be one reason but

2093
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:08,640
trust me i would love to have that

2094
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:10,480
happen because i mean that would crack

2095
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,640
the place wide wide open but

2096
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:14,480
i mean short of somebody finally going

2097
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:16,640
rogue and releasing video you know

2098
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:19,199
sneaking video out and and releasing it

2099
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,880
you know to it but

2100
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:23,440
i don't see that happening with the

2101
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:25,199
with you know their system i'm pretty

2102
01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:27,040
sure their security system is all

2103
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,480
database

2104
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,400
uh oriented so it all goes to one

2105
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,320
central spot so

2106
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,480
no one's gonna get a lot of this you

2107
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,440
know

2108
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,280
it i would love to have been at that

2109
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:39,040
kind of range you would you probably

2110
01:19:41,910 --> 01:19:41,120
seen all sorts of detail

2111
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,920
um

2112
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:43,280
you know what that kind of range that

2113
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,229
well you know i i we can only hope that

2114
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,480
people will come forward despite all

2115
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:54,719
these restrictions now

2116
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:57,040
um you know another thing i was thinking

2117
01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:59,440
about was people who do work on these

2118
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:01,679
maintenance jobs

2119
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,920
on carriers or on airlines uh

2120
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,679
many of them have options down the road

2121
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,120
where they can

2122
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:11,280
take company jobs and of course they

2123
01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:13,520
don't want that on the record

2124
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:16,880
so maybe that's um

2125
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:18,560
maybe that's a consideration well

2126
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,920
there's a lot of politics i mean

2127
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:23,679
you know we all know how it is when you

2128
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:26,400
work i mean any job you have you're

2129
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,830
um and i can also see kind of where you

2130
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,520
know you don't want to run off your

2131
01:20:38,149 --> 01:20:37,199
customers of course you don't want to

2132
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,159
have

2133
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:40,080
you know floods of people showing up at

2134
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,400
the airport you know it become a tourist

2135
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:44,320
trap of some kind you know everybody

2136
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:45,440
wants to

2137
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:46,880
this becomes the next loch ness

2138
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,639
everyone's lining the airport around

2139
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:50,000
there and uh

2140
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,040
um

2141
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:54,000
you know or like when this first started

2142
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:55,920
we had all these investigators these

2143
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,719
little

2144
01:21:00,550 --> 01:20:58,080
um

2145
01:21:03,189 --> 01:21:00,560
you know you know husband wife boyfriend

2146
01:21:04,470 --> 01:21:03,199
girlfriend teams going up and a lot of

2147
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,480
them were getting in trouble because

2148
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:06,480
they weren't respecting

2149
01:21:10,629 --> 01:21:08,639
you know we have we follow a certain

2150
01:21:12,310 --> 01:21:10,639
code we should follow certain ethics

2151
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:12,320
some people don't have that ethic you

2152
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:14,960
know there are some places um

2153
01:21:19,750 --> 01:21:17,280
uh right there where this uh incident

2154
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:19,760
happened if you just go up that road

2155
01:21:24,629 --> 01:21:22,000
the that road terminates at a security

2156
01:21:27,510 --> 01:21:24,639
checkpoint and uh beyond that checkpoint

2157
01:21:29,350 --> 01:21:27,520
is the usps facility

2158
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,360
that place is not they're they're not

2159
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:31,040
playing games when it comes to airport

2160
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,800
security you drive over that thing

2161
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,239
without being

2162
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:36,320
without checking in you're gonna be

2163
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,800
confronted by airport security and you

2164
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:39,840
know

2165
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,880
you're gonna get to find out what the

2166
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:43,120
inside of a detention cell looks like um

2167
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:44,320
right but

2168
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:45,520
you know

2169
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:48,960
mentioned you mentioned before the show

2170
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:52,000
to me that your drivers are seeing more

2171
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,400
drones out there i wonder if they're

2172
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:56,880
i wonder if tsa and security are using

2173
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:59,120
drones out there

2174
01:22:01,990 --> 01:22:01,120
they have before i mean i wouldn't think

2175
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:02,000
that

2176
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:06,159
very small corridor probably using them

2177
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:07,920
because i mean obviously

2178
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:08,960
you know

2179
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:11,520
these aren't dr

2180
01:22:16,390 --> 01:22:14,400
yeah they're not gonna be using like

2181
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:16,400
the drones that i order off of amazon or

2182
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,600
something you know these things are

2183
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:19,360
probably professionally designed you

2184
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:20,159
know

2185
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:21,120
but

2186
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:22,560
honestly i could think that if one of

2187
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:24,000
those actually ever got sucked up into

2188
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:25,360
the engine of an airplane that thing

2189
01:22:29,590 --> 01:22:27,199
would bring the plane down

2190
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,600
um or at least damage that

2191
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,000
that uh engine in the process that could

2192
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:33,840
cause a big accident so

2193
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:35,840
but at the same time

2194
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:39,040
the cargo areas are so immense

2195
01:22:43,270 --> 01:22:41,199
over there i mean people just don't seem

2196
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,280
to realize there are at least five

2197
01:22:47,110 --> 01:22:44,960
different cargo areas

2198
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,120
just on the perimeter of the airport and

2199
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:49,840
there's more across the street

2200
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,400
from the airport these these places work

2201
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:54,560
24 hours a day

2202
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:55,679
uh

2203
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:58,000
you know i have i've worked for multiple

2204
01:23:02,229 --> 01:22:59,760
companies that have worked there

2205
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,239
and you know it's not unusual to have

2206
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,840
drivers out there at midnight two

2207
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:05,600
o'clock in the morning picking up loads

2208
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:06,560
um

2209
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:07,679
you know

2210
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:08,560
so

2211
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:10,239
yeah i mean it's

2212
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:11,840
they're probably working it you know as

2213
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,719
a security in in a way to secure

2214
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:16,159
you know in security because i know that

2215
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,239
they've talked about um people tell me

2216
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,719
that you know they are actually going

2217
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,320
out there and making sure that you're

2218
01:23:25,990 --> 01:23:24,639
there for you know certain

2219
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:26,000
uh

2220
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,600
you know for what you say you are

2221
01:23:30,550 --> 01:23:29,040
they're gonna ask for your paperwork

2222
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:30,560
they're gonna ask for the manifest or

2223
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,000
something you know they're gonna know

2224
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:34,719
want to know why you're out there um

2225
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,440
and it's not just uh that airport is not

2226
01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:39,040
just you know

2227
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,560
semi trucks you know there are straight

2228
01:23:44,229 --> 01:23:43,199
trucks you know cargo vans sprinter vans

2229
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,239
you know

2230
01:23:46,629 --> 01:23:45,600
all sorts of

2231
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,639
of

2232
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:48,800
ways to transport this material they're

2233
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:50,960
gonna have to keep an uh an eye on

2234
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:54,159
everybody and at the same time i'm you

2235
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,760
know i'm sure with all these incidents

2236
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,920
they trying to keep everybody like us

2237
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,600
out you know

2238
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:02,000
um the last time like when i was went

2239
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:03,760
out to the last time you know i was

2240
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,000
actually broadcasting to the team and it

2241
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,679
took all of about five minutes before

2242
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security showed up

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01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:10,159
um

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01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,520
and they were right there just you know

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01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,199
they were they weren't interfering but

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01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,520
they they knew i was there you know they

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01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,360
were watching you know

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01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,880
what we were doing the whole time we

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01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:20,400
were there

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01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:22,159
i am quite sure they have our

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01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,110
be honest we i really do

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01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:31,360
uh i mean i think um

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01:24:37,750 --> 01:24:32,480
i i

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01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,760
at us as well i know they have i mean

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01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:39,360
i've had people tell me that they've

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01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:41,840
mentioned fandoms and monsters 14

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01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,600
research and

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01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,679
singular 14 ufo clearing out they

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01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:47,440
mentioned all that that's all been

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01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:48,719
talked about

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01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:52,400
so um yeah they are watching and they

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01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:53,920
have stepped up

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01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:59,120
uh you got any uh final thoughts tobias

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01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:00,080
um

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01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,400
you know well honestly i i just wanted

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01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:04,080
to say um

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01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,080
how many good points you guys just had

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01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,480
like you really crammed a lot of really

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01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:10,960
solid points into the the

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01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:14,800
the uh uh o'hare mothman uh narrative

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01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,120
there that i think a lot of people

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01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,280
hadn't uh considered you know because

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01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:20,880
people ask me

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01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:23,600
and uh and and i i'm always honest with

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01:25:27,750 --> 01:25:26,080
with folks so i say well here's what we

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01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:27,760
know here's here's what we don't know

2277
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,000
here's what i personally don't know and

2278
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:32,080
so i think you guys

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01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:33,040
really

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01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:34,880
talking about your personal uh

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01:25:39,270 --> 01:25:37,280
experience working in these industries

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01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,280
to give people some insight

2283
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:42,560
into uh you know the the actual

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01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,960
sort of behind the scenes politics and

2285
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,800
all of the different like mechanisms

2286
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:48,560
that play i think that's really really

2287
01:25:53,430 --> 01:25:50,560
helpful because i think that's something

2288
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:53,440
that people need to hear to understand

2289
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,560
maybe why things are unfolding the way

2290
01:26:01,110 --> 01:25:58,800
that they are because it can be very

2291
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:01,120
frustrating for people i think to not

2292
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,960
have all of the information that that

2293
01:26:07,350 --> 01:26:05,199
they want about this but there might be

2294
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,360
very very good reasons so

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01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:09,840
you know uh well done i'm i'm glad we

2296
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,310
yeah i mean you know

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01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:16,239
there's always a lot of layers when you

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01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,920
get involved with this and then of

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01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:19,360
course

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01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:22,880
uh when you're talking jobs unions and

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01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,199
what's involved with it and

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01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,760
and all that um

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01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,560
yeah i can understand why

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01:26:34,180 --> 01:26:33,360
why these employees are uh we're scared

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01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:34,190
about it and

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01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:35,760
[Music]

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01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:37,840
thank god we have had a few come forward

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01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,760
so it's hopeful that that's going to

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01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,440
continue on

2310
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,719
if you don't mind me interjecting

2311
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:44,719
something real quick um

2312
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,960
i was recently asked by somebody about

2313
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:49,120
that and uh about these things that

2314
01:26:52,229 --> 01:26:50,480
o'hare and they were saying like well

2315
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:52,239
could it be like the

2316
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:54,159
the chicago version of what's happening

2317
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,679
in l.a with this jetpack man um and i'm

2318
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,760
like first off um

2319
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,239
whoever if if jeff pac-man has ever

2320
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:04,080
found that jet man's going to federal

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01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:05,199
prison

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01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,639
for buzzing

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01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,480
you know commercial airlines with his

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01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:10,239
jet pack you know

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01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,600
um

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01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:13,280
because that is dangerous you know

2327
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:14,800
you're going to bring a plane down one

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01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:16,480
day

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01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,440
and

2330
01:27:21,270 --> 01:27:19,040
kill a lot of innocent people but i

2331
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,280
don't honestly see that happening here i

2332
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:23,679
mean it's not like

2333
01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:24,480
this

2334
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:30,400
i mean video of it of course i know but

2335
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:32,320
you're seeing people are seeing this you

2336
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,000
know commercial airline pilots are

2337
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,840
actually calling in to the towers like

2338
01:27:38,470 --> 01:27:37,520
we just got buzzed by a guy with a jet

2339
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,480
pack

2340
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:41,199
um so i mean that's honestly yeah i mean

2341
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:42,639
when i first heard ellen i'm thinking

2342
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:44,840
like you know tony you know tony stark

2343
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:47,760
level kind of shenanigans here but

2344
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:50,159
i mean i don't really see that i mean i

2345
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:51,199
see this

2346
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,080
you know

2347
01:27:55,030 --> 01:27:54,320
whoever did this honestly great yeah you

2348
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:55,040
have

2349
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,040
you've made a significant step forward

2350
01:28:02,629 --> 01:27:59,280
if you're actually doing this but

2351
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:02,639
it's honestly as busy as o'hare or l.a

2352
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,679
is a lax is a huge airport but

2353
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,440
you got to remember that o'hare is

2354
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:09,840
bigger than than that and it's actually

2355
01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:10,880
i think the

2356
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:13,280
it is the bestest or the

2357
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:15,840
or or the business or the second busiest

2358
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:19,120
airport i believe uh yeah

2359
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:22,960
i think it's the second busiest yeah and

2360
01:28:28,149 --> 01:28:24,800
a lot of it has to do with you know not

2361
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:28,159
only just commercial but cargo um i

2362
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:29,840
don't think that it would fly here in

2363
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,560
chicago you know they're so strict with

2364
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,159
their deer

2365
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:36,719
you know the air uh space around here it

2366
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:38,719
kind of goes with the same thing that

2367
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:41,600
when we had the the incidences in uh in

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01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:43,760
chicago itself you know along the

2369
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:45,040
lakefront people saying oh it could be

2370
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:46,800
somebody in a squirrel shoot no that's

2371
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:49,600
suicide and you would go to jail for

2372
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:51,920
something like that i mean

2373
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:54,639
it's not a uh

2374
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:56,480
it just cannot be you know something i

2375
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:58,080
don't see is something that could happen

2376
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:01,520
in chicago as much as lax because

2377
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:03,040
the airport is

2378
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:04,800
twice the size of little ax and it's

2379
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:06,800
busier than lax

2380
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,360
um i don't see where it could actually

2381
01:29:13,590 --> 01:29:11,199
get away someone could actually get away

2382
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,600
with doing something like this you know

2383
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:15,440
someone would know something

2384
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,880
and someone would probably eventually

2385
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:18,800
talk about it

2386
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:20,880
oh yeah i mean from all indications i'm

2387
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,239
getting from the

2388
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,760
person and people i'm talking to

2389
01:29:28,790 --> 01:29:26,880
uh

2390
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,800
everybody knows everybody else's

2391
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,400
business and that's

2392
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:32,159
in between the airlines

2393
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:35,280
they all know what's going on and uh you

2394
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:36,800
know

2395
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,639
they they

2396
01:29:44,709 --> 01:29:42,800
and that's been told to me i mean for

2397
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,719
the most part they all know that this is

2398
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:47,280
something that's

2399
01:29:51,350 --> 01:29:49,760
it's just an unexplained phenomena and

2400
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,360
uh

2401
01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:53,040
you know so

2402
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:54,560
well anyway guys we're going to go ahead

2403
01:29:59,030 --> 01:29:57,199
and wrap this up so hey thanks again for

2404
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,040
coming on tonight we're going to go

2405
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:01,520
ahead and do this again at some point as

2406
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:04,320
this phenomena continues

2407
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,280
uh

2408
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:07,760
i'm already looking at a third book for

2409
01:30:10,950 --> 01:30:09,760
this thing i don't

2410
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,960
you know

2411
01:30:14,149 --> 01:30:12,960
i mean i you you guys just got the list

2412
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,159
i made up

2413
01:30:18,310 --> 01:30:17,040
the other day that was over 200 pages

2414
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:18,320
and uh

2415
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:20,239
of all the sightings from the very

2416
01:30:26,550 --> 01:30:23,600
beginning and uh yeah

2417
01:30:28,070 --> 01:30:26,560
so uh and just to tell all the folks us

2418
01:30:30,310 --> 01:30:28,080
three are going to be working on some

2419
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:30,320
projects down the road

2420
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:34,239
uh involving this so um just stay tuned

2421
01:30:38,790 --> 01:30:36,880
you'll be told when things happen

2422
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:38,800
so that's all i'm gonna say at this

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01:30:43,030 --> 01:30:39,760
point

2424
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:43,040
so guys you know uh tobias and uh

2425
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:45,360
emmanuel thanks again for coming on and

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01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:48,159
uh

2427
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,280
okay

2428
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:53,750
so if uh you have an unexplained

2429
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,920
encounter or setting feel free to

2430
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,159
contact me through the fans and monsters

2431
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,400
blog site you know i want to again thank

2432
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:02,719
tobias and manuel for joining me this

2433
01:31:06,470 --> 01:31:03,840
evening

2434
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:06,480
and uh and thanks to each and all of you

2435
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:08,480
for watching and chatting if you made a

2436
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:10,480
super chat donation

2437
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:12,880
it's truly appreciated your support is

2438
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:15,120
what makes this possible

2439
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,360
please like subscribe and share and

2440
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:19,520
thanks again for being here with our

2441
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:20,639
premiere

2442
01:31:27,669 --> 01:31:24,719
episode at phantoms and monsters radio

2443
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:27,679
so next week we have psychic medium

2444
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,910
i'm sorry

2445
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:36,000
andrew radziwitz

2446
01:31:41,270 --> 01:31:39,040
uh will be joining me from australia

2447
01:31:43,510 --> 01:31:41,280
uh andrew has

2448
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:43,520
quite a unique story actually and i

2449
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:45,679
believe you'll find it interesting

2450
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:48,800
he uh he's a former long island new york

2451
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:51,120
first responder

2452
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,520
who later moved to australia

2453
01:31:58,470 --> 01:31:55,520
got married

2454
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:58,480
and became an embalmer at a funeral home

2455
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:01,040
weird story but anyway he is a psychic

2456
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:02,320
medium so

2457
01:32:06,950 --> 01:32:04,480
you won't want to miss this it'll be a

2458
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:06,960
quite an interesting show so until next

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01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:07,760
week

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01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:10,320
uh stay healthy and have a safe and